Lydney Station Stakeholder Minutes 5th July 2013

Lydney Station Stakeholder Meeting


Venue Date of Meeting
LydneyTownCouncil Chamber.  10 am on 5th July 2013


Attendance Reason for Meeting
Robert Niblett – Gloucestershire County CouncilClive Elsmore –ForestofDean District Council

Chris John –ForestofDean District Council

Louise John –ForestofDean District Council

Martin Quaile –ForestofDean District Council

Brian Thomas – Lydney Town Council

Bob Turner – Lydney Area in Partnership

Derek Biddle – Lydney Area in Partnership

Roger Deeks – Lydney Neighbourhood Development Plan Steering Committee

Dave Street– Lyndey Walks and Footpaths Co-ordinator

Bob Garside – Lydney Rail Commuter

Adrian Carrington – Arriva TrainsWales

Claire Falkiner – Arriva TrainsWales

Emma Walker – Development Surveyor NR

James O’Gorman- Scheme Sponsor NR

SianLewis –Scheme Sponsor NR


 Review of Progress on Actions from 1st Stakeholder Meeting


Apologies Circulation
James Jackson NR; Nigel Gibbons – Forest of Dean District Council; Paula Burrows – Forest of Dean District Council; Lydia Whitaker – Planner NR Chris Townley – Gloucestershire County Council (Highways); Brian Watkins – Gloucestershire County Council (Highways);  Peter Adams – Dean Forest Railway; Alan Priest – Lydney Town Council  Those present plus Apologies and the Office of Mark Harper MP




1 Feedback on Progress with Station “Quick Wins”– Arriva TrainsWales & Lydney Area in Partnership 


–          A Ticketing Machine has been installed at Lydney Station which is being well used.

–          Bike Racks are due to be installed at the end of August 2013

–          The installation of poster boards has been provisionally agreed subject to confirmation of style from Lydney Area in Partnership and the Landlord’s Consent process.



– Lydney Area in Partnership to confirm board styling to ATW


2 Feedback on Investigations into the Possibility of Re-Opening the Lydney Station Underpass  Network Rail 


–          Network Rail said that its engineers had looked at the Lydney Station Underpass in order to see what works would be required in order to open up a facility which complied with all current statutes and regulations.  Initial indications are that reducing the level through a railway structure requires design and an engineered solution.  This would require a new reinforced concrete invert from foundation to foundation and from wall to wall.  In addition, as the new level of the underpass would be below the drainage level a sump with pump or a siphon system would be required to keep the underpass dry.  Lighting would also be required which would need the installation of a new electricity distribution cabinet and supply.

–          The initial estimate of cost for these works is put at around £250k

–          Network Rail confirmed that it is not currently funded to undertake these works.

–          The question arose as to whether some of the cost could be offset against a safety case made against a potential incident at the level crossing.

–          There is also a question regarding the ownership of the land underneath the railway.  Network Rail owns the bridge structure but does not believe that has ever owned the land underneath.

–          A question arose as to whether the current Lydney Van Hire site could be used temporarily as an overflow car park.  Network Rail said that this could be considered if the current use came to an end, but would be subject to a commercial lease as the land is currently income producing.



–          Network Rail to look in greater detail at the costs of opening up the underpass and to see whether a case could be made to offset any of the cost against the potential cost of a safety incident

–          Network Rail and Forestof Dean District Councilto research the historic records with regard to how the underpass came into existence and who owns or is responsible for it.

–          Network Rail to investigate whether/ when the current lease of the Lydney Van Hire site is due to come to an end and whether Network Rail would be willing to grant a lease for car parking in the interim.

3 Insight into Future Use of the Station (ATW)–          Anticipated Increase in number of Trains/ Passenger Traffic at Lydney?



–          ATW said that footfall at Lydney Station is currently growing at 3-4% per annum. 

–          ATW said that there are no current plans to increase the number of train services at Lydney Station as this would require an increase in rolling stock which is not covered in the business plan for the current franchise period which ends in 2018.

–          Any increase in service from Lydney by ATW would require a thirdy party subsidy from a body such as the Welsh Government or Gloucestershire Council.

–          The intentions of Cross Country Trains with regard to any plans to increase the stopping service at Lydney are not currently known.



–          Elected Representatives from Gloucestershire County Council andForestofDean District Councilto investigate whether any service subsidy might come from either the Welsh Government or Gloucestershire Council.

–          Network Rail to facilitate contact with Cross Country Trains.



4 Insight into Future Development Plans for the Dean Forest Railway (DFR) 


-No representative from Dean Forest Railway attended this meeting.



5 Possible Master Plan for Lydney Station and Surrounding Land–          How the Master Planning Approach Works

–          What will it achieve?

–          How much does it cost?

–          Identifying Sources of Funding for a Master Plan

–          Appointment of Master Planner



–          Network Rail stated that implementing a Master Plan in order to design the future for a site has worked well in other station locations such as Taunton as a means to consolidate stakeholder aspirations into one document which then provides a platform from which to understand the costs of the project and to crystallize what is deliverable and avoids piecemeal spending on things which don’t ultimately add as much as could be achieved by taking a joined up approach.  It also provides a platform to take forward bids for funding as they come up which would put the Lydney scheme ahead of other competing schemes which have not been so well defined.

–          The Master Plan approach requires a small working group to be appointed by the Stakeholder body to represent their views and with appropriate authority to make decisions on behalf of the Stakeholders

–          The cost of a Master Plan depends upon the extent of the work undertaken and the number of Stakeholder Workshops required.  Estimated cost from Network Rail’s Master Planner to produce up to three potential layouts for development mix and parking and access options (Including three stakeholder workshops) is £5,000.  Further work on glossy presentation and QS would be undertaken as required and charged accordingly.

–         ForestofDean District Counciland Gloucestershire County Council pledged £1,000 each to help fund the Master Plan for Lydney Station.

–          The Stakeholders agreed that LHC Architects should be appointed to carry out the first phase of Master Planning work in order to have an agreed Master Plan in place by December 2013.


–          Stakeholders to agree who will be appointed to represent their views on the Working Group and to ensure that they have the appropriate level of authority to make decisions on behalf of the Stakeholders they represent.

–          Network Rail to confirm the appointment of LHC Architects to undertake the Master Plan.

–          Network Rail to convene the first Working Group as soon as possible.




6 Future Funding Sources For Possible Re-Development of Lydney Railway Station 

  1. Feedback on progress with GLTB Highways Bid (GCC/FDDC)
  2. S106 or CIL funding arising from the development of 1,700 new homes in Lydney over the next few years (GCC/ FDDC)
  3. The National Station Improvement Program (NSIP) – (a DfT run program which will re-open in April 2014 and cover the next 5 year Railway Control Period). (NR)
  4. A business case for funding based upon car parking revenue (NR)
  5. Crowd Funding for Public Realm Improvements
  6. Potential release of land value from the development of Network Rail land for more valuable use.  A proportion of the value released by development may be orientated towards funding improvements to stations. (NR)
  7. Or: Find a Joint Venture Development Partner to undertake a complete re-development INCLUDING the station and car park enhancement works. (NR)


–          FDCC confirmed that the Lydney GLTB bid was scored 9th out of 14 schemes.  Further work may result in a slightly higher placing for this bid.  Currently it is not known exactly how much money will be available to fund projects but it is anticipated that only the top 4-6 projects will gain funding.  It therefore does not look hopeful at this stage that the Lydney bid will attract funding from this source.

–          GCC said that current anticipated s106 funding for station improvements coming from the planning permissions for the West of Lydney Residential Extension is also currently in doubt.

–          GCC said that there may possibly be a small amount of money available for Lydney Station from GCC budgetary under-spend elsewhere and if an anticipated planning application comes forward for a new ASDA supermarket this may provide some S106 money.

–          Network Rail confirmed that the availability any NSIP funding availability for the five year period from April 2014 will only start to be known in Autumn 2013.  Network Rail cautioned that NSIP money is devolved to the individual Rail Routes and that the money has to be spread across the whole route. Lydney would have to make a case for funding against all the other Welsh Route Projects.

–          Network Rail said that it might be possible put together a business case to undertake car park improvement works on the basis of a commercial return from parking revenue.

–          Network Rail circulated and article for consideration which explains how Crowd Funding may be used by Local Authorities to finance local regeneration projects. By making the desired project a “commodity” against which the Authority and Locally interested parties can pledge money, if enough money is pledged then the project is built.  No contract is involved and if not enough money comes forward then the project does not get built but nobody looses money.

–          Network Rail said that if some of its land around the station could be re-configured and used for a more valuable purpose then a portion of the increase in value might be directed towards improvements to Lydney Station.

–          Network Rail said that once the Master Plan is in place it may be possible (subject to the right funding mix and suitable planning consent) to find an external development partner to undertake works to Lydney Station and Car Park as part of a re-development of all Network Rail’s land around Lydney Station.







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